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Meghan Bell's avatar

I agree with this, glad it came across my feed. I actually wrote a piece defending PUAs a few months back --

https://thecassandracomplex.substack.com/p/sluts-rakes-and-all-our-mistakes

Kelly's avatar

This feels very much like revisionist history. Pick-up artists like women in the same way that they like cars: as an object to be acquired. One of the big reasons why PUAs became so maligned is because it was literally a game to them (aptly named). The "spend hours with a woman" rule wasn't suggested because men wanted to spend time with women, but because they correctly gleaned that most women needed some measure of trust to overcome safety concerns enough to go home with a man, and that was the goal. If they could have convinced women faster, they would do so. PUAs only look better now because so many men have become so frighteningly misogynistic that we look back at skeezy men negging women with nostalgia--which is honestly really sad. It's a failure of imagination to look back at PUAs and think that they represent the pinnacle of "trying." Let's insist on better than some guy who's only nice to you for seven hours because he wants to sleep with you.

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